Things that p*** you off/bug you/annoy you

[vc commodore]

It’d be an interesting business to be in. If the dates hold, in 2050 it’ll be worth next to nothing as the market for fossil fuels will be next to zero. That’s only 26 years away, so interpolating, and assuming a linear drop off, in about 1/2 that (say 13 years, 2037) it would be worth about 1/2 what it is today. I’m not sure that I’d want to be holding on the petrol station assets for too much longer without some sort of long term plan in place.

It’ll be interesting to see if the present petrol stations ‘transition’ to become charging stations, or if they get replaced by a different operator all together. I can see some potential issues with fast-charging and pumping hydrocarbons in close proximity!

You make it sound like come 2050, you'll never get any form of fossil fuels....

I can see them having charging points in the servo and other forms of fuel available that become more main stream in the coming years

 

[chrisp]

You make it sound like come 2050, you'll never get any form of fossil fuels....

I can see them having charging points in the servo and other forms of fuel available that become more main stream in the coming years

I think I used the term ‘next to zero’ which was allowing for the possibility of some fossil fuels.

The other thing is that EVs are quite different to ICE cars, and the recharging is quite different too. So, we can sometimes fall in to the mindset that petrol bowsers just get replaced with charging stations. But that’s not the case at all. Many people will recharge at home most of the time, so the need to visit a recharging station will diminish. People will mostly ‘refuel’ at home - something that isn’t in the practical realm for ICE cars. So, the need for the equivalent of petrol stations (aka recharging stations) in the built up areas might actually diminish?

However, the situation is somewhat different outside the built up areas. I can see the need for very large (or a very large number of) charging stations along the highways between capital cities. This is where there will be a demand for fast recharging, and there will probably be a lot of customers. So, instead of a 10 minute refuel and a wee (as in the case of a ICE car), it could easily become the ‘lunch stop’ and recharge for an EV. So, instead of being a 10-minute stop, it could be a 90-minute stop, but with about 10x the number of people waiting for their recharge to finish. So, I could see the traditional highway petrol station being replaced with recharging station that is 10x larger.

 

[Immortality]

It’d be an interesting business to be in. If the dates hold, in 2050 it’ll be worth next to nothing as the market for fossil fuels will be next to zero. That’s only 26 years away, so interpolating, and assuming a linear drop off, in about 1/2 that (say 13 years, 2037) it would be worth about 1/2 what it is today. I’m not sure that I’d want to be holding on the petrol station assets for too much longer without some sort of long term plan in place.

It’ll be interesting to see if the present petrol stations ‘transition’ to become charging stations, or if they get replaced by a different operator all together. I can see some potential issues with fast-charging and pumping hydrocarbons in close proximity!

Already happening at many servo's here in NZ, probably more so at servo's outside the main centres.

 

[Drawnnite]

Realising today I didn't have the right cable to do a task.
Micro USB to USB A.
So didn't do the task (it's a volunteer type thing I should note)
The Toolbags have everything under the sun in them normally.

Had another look at home.
Just found a few of those Micro USB to USB A Cables
*facepalm*

 

[vc commodore]

I think I used the term ‘next to zero’ which was allowing for the possibility of some fossil fuels.

The other thing is that EVs are quite different to ICE cars, and the recharging is quite different too. So, we can sometimes fall in to the mindset that petrol bowsers just get replaced with charging stations. But that’s not the case at all. Many people will recharge at home most of the time, so the need to visit a recharging station will diminish. People will mostly ‘refuel’ at home - something that isn’t in the practical realm for ICE cars. So, the need for the equivalent of petrol stations (aka recharging stations) in the built up areas might actually diminish?

However, the situation is somewhat different outside the built up areas. I can see the need for very large (or a very large number of) charging stations along the highways between capital cities. This is where there will be a demand for fast recharging, and there will probably be a lot of customers. So, instead of a 10 minute refuel and a wee (as in the case of a ICE car), it could easily become the ‘lunch stop’ and recharge for an EV. So, instead of being a 10-minute stop, it could be a 90-minute stop, but with about 10x the number of people waiting for their recharge to finish. So, I could see the traditional highway petrol station being replaced with recharging station that is 10x larger.

I see it as them becoming charging stations and dispense fossil fuels and other forms of fuels that will become more environmently friendly....

Memory serves me right, they are experimenting with hydrogen as a fuel source....

I very much doubt they'll deminish...Currently I'm seeing an increase in servos, not a decrease. That's in and out of town

 

[chrisp]

I see it as them becoming charging stations and dispense fossil fuels and other forms of fuels that will become more environmently friendly....

Probably, just like I’m sure you could still buy hay for your horse today, that there will be some form of hydrocarbon fuel available. It’s really a question of what and how expensive it will be. But I’m pretty confident that it is unlikely be ‘fossil fuel’, but rather it could be a manmade substitute (produced using some form of renewable energy).

My main point is that we need to think outside the square. Just like mobile phones didn’t exactly replace the landline, EVs won’t exactly replace the ICE car. Some things will be quite different. Much the same, but different.

 

[OldBomb]

the same idiots trying to keep fossil fuels alive will be plugging renewables. it's only when they decide it's time to make the investment switch that we will see any real push.

 

[ephect]

Farmers have received notice to commence conversion to bio-diesel in the next 5 years. No reason ICE cars can't jump onto corn-fed juice.

We can only see how the next 10 years plays out. This whole green approach is seriously bullshit. It's all about dollars not environmental. You get taxed and carbon counted on fuel useage and wastage, but no credits on trees, grass and crops

Gas wouldn't be phased out from servos.
It's just half assed

 

[losh1971]

Not sure how they plan to run ships, big boats and aircraft. Going to need a lot of bio fuel to run those. Plus I guess the price of flights, freight and ferries will go up when the big switch occurs?

 

[chrisp]

Not sure how they plan to run ships, big boats and aircraft. Going to need a lot of bio fuel to run those. Plus I guess the price of flights, freight and ferries will go up when the big switch occurs?

‘The big switch’? I don’t think that it’ll be a sudden change over, but rather a progressive transition. A bit like how we changed from using landline phone to mobile phones. It wasn’t a ‘switch’ but rather a stead uptake of the newer technology. Some will be ‘early adopters’, some will go with the flow, and some will never change (just as you can still have a landline if you wish).

The big difference is that ‘net zero’ is being driven by a need rather than by a technology change.